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Jon M.'s avatar

I like your analysis.

For me, it is simple: I'm happy to forgive pretty much any mistake as soon as the person who made the mistake acknowledges his or her error and explains how he or she will try to avoid a similar error in the future.

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Jonah A's avatar

I’d like to put forward a different interpretation of the rhetorical move Oster is setting up. This post is absolutely correct in that Oster is really discussing intra-left amnesty while throwing some anti-right red meat around. But I didn’t read that as her goal.

I play the role of the diplomat all the time in life, and one of the most successful and reliable arguments looks like this:

Your Teammate: [outgroup] is terrible! They want [bad thing] and believe [bad stuff]!

You: I agree, that stuff is terrible! If they just believed [steel-man view of outgroup] maybe that would be ok, but instead they’re just evil!

Teammate: yeah, [steel-man view] is at least somewhat reasonable, I could at least respectfully disagree with someone who believed that. Too bad that’s not what they believe.

You: hey, I noticed that [person closest to you on the other side] believes something much closer to [steel-man] than [bad stuff].

Teammate: I guess they’re not the worst.

You: hey, I noticed that [person closest to previous person] believes something much closer to [steel-man] than [bad stuff]...

And repeat. Sometimes that evil out-group actually exists but is small (e.g. actual, real neo-nazis vs most people who have ever been called neo-nazis), sometimes it’s nonexistent (e.g. people who completely agree with your moral framework about the world, but simply want the world to be bad).

You want to establish a reasonable policy within the space that’s familiar enough for people to judge fairly, and where all involved are within the existing circle of concern. Once you’ve done that, you expand the circle of concern. This, I think, is what Oster is doing here. Most of the commenters so far seem to be assuming that because she has set up this outgroup of crazy misinformation spreaders, that there must be a bunch of crazy misinformation spreaders she’s thinking of. Maybe that’s true! But it’s not a safe assumption.

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