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j.r. leonard's avatar

Great piece. I appreciate the time it took to break down these arguments. That said, I am not sure that you picked the right target in Strong Towns, who are really not your typical New Urbanists. I suspect that your case against them has something to do with your aesthetic distaste for density and urban living. And that may be somewhat warranted, as lots of urbanism boosters foster a thinly veiled distaste for rural and suburban living. But again, I do not think that is what Strong Towns is going for. My reading of Strong Towns is not “cities good; everything else bad.” I don't even think that they are anti-car. Rather, I think that they are advocating a move from exurban sprawl to something resembling old-fashioned inner-ring suburbs and small towns with charming Main Streets.

The exurban sprawl issue is where the case against stroads comes in and it is a particularly confusing concept. Here is a pretty easy way to know if you are on a stroad. If you go down to the commercial district to run visit two stores that are exactly across from each other on opposite sides of the street/road, how would you get from the first to the second? If the answer is ‘walk across,’ then you are on a street. If the answer is ‘get in your car, drive away from your destination and find somewhere you can make a u-turn, then drive back and pull into the parking lot,’ then you are on a stroad.

Part of the reason why you cannot suss out a clear position on density is that they do not see density as something that ought to be determined or prescribed by policy. A place should be as dense as it needs to be to support the economic vitality and financial health of the place. One of Marohn’s big crusades is against the need for local governments to endlessly issue debt that it can never pay off. The reason that happens is because many of cities and towns have way more infrastructure than they can maintain given their tax base. This ties back to stroads, which require all the commercially viable businesses to be located over an unnecessarily large area, which necessitates more capex and more operating expenses, which make these places not economically viable in the long run.

You were right to start this with a discussion of preferences, but preferences are part of the problem. People want to live in nicer, more pleasant neighbourhoods than they can afford, so they try to mimic nicer locations with land-use regulations. That works for a while, but eventually the bills come due and the people with means have moved on to the next new housing development or shopping complex.

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I'm very sympathetic to the demands of people who like walkability, although only to a certain extent - I cycle, and I much prefer wide roads that give cars plenty of room to pass to narrow roads where I accidentally back up traffic. I think the ideal situation was a town I once lived in called Stevenage in the UK, which had an elaborate network of underpasses that allowed cyclists and pedestrians to pretty much go anywhere in the town without having to cross roads. However, the entire place was built in the 1960s (and everyone hates it and thinks its ugly), so I don't think it's really practical to retrofit those into somewhere else.

I basically agree with you that the best solution is to have lots of different types of community to meet different needs, I think it makes sense to try to make city centres walkable since you're most of the way there already and that's usually what city people like, but you shouldn't forget that there's a need for access from outside the city. I do think the concept of having uncrossable roads is a really bad idea, it's nice to have pedestrian access for those times when its relevant.

I can kind of see what they're doing with the road/street distinction, the location does mean they have different connotations, but in my experience it can be very effective to have "roads" going through cities to separate traffic, as long as there's a way to go around them.

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