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JLT's avatar

RC, I like that you liked your own comment :).

Anyway, to step back remember the function of a bureaucracy is to maintain the bureaucracy. And the fact that it is populated by scientists and not clerks doesn't change this. The head of the organization is there because someone thought they would be good for that organization. This is not the same as achieving the goals you think that organization should.

Normally there will be some alignment with an orgs stated goals because it's authority is based on this perception. But in a crisis executive decision making is required which may put the org at risk, this is the conflict.

So the result is the political response of mitigation (mask, social distancing...) and the vaccine decision can be made by existing protocol. The rest is just power networking which your dept heads know how to do.

I would ditch the trolley intro or keep riding. The way you changed gears was kind of harsh.

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I'm old enough that the thalidomide babies were children at the same time as me. I vaguely recall attending school with one of them, and met another as an adult.

Obviously this is not a case of vaccines gone wrong - it was a drug given to pregnant women, prescribed for morning sickness among other things.

I also don't have to go far to find all kinds of (ahem) snake oil - products sold with carefully written non-claims of effects they don't actually have, plus the (true) claim that they can't just say explicitly what the product supposedly does, because of FDA rules.

That doesn't mean that the FDA was right in this case - and they do seem to have confused "we didn't personally develop/vet it" with "this shouldn't be used" during this epidemic (e.g. with regard to covid tests, early on).

And bureaucracy tends to grow beyond what's actually needed, as well as tending to impose additional costs. But I'm nonetheless grateful that the FDA was involved in approving treatments I'm receiving (not related to covid).

I also don't especially trust big pharma. The incentives for almost any executive insulate them from significant bad consequences if they make decisions that kill people; relatively recent PG&E behaviour comes to mind. (They saved so much money not doing maintenance that it was a great business decision, increasing the stock price - until there was a fire, and deaths, and lawsuits, and bankruptcy - none of which affected any profits the executives had already taken - and quite likely also didn't affect their future employment prospects.)

Of course the other thing about "challenge trials" is they presume that vaccines are binary - they either protect or don't. You presumably can't (ethically)/won't challenge unvaccinated controls, so you don't know how many unvaccinated people would (not) have caught covid with the same challenge procedure. If any vaccinated person winds up with covid - and I presume some will, even with 95% effectiveness - you're left guessing how many is too many, in judging the vaccine to be (in)effective.

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